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Originally posted by skinneejquote:As mentioned in the thread, I grew up hunting deer. My dad's run the same deer club for 40+ years. He still runs it. I can go there any time I want. Deer hunting just doesn't get my blood going as much as fishing or wing shooting. I can't help it that I killed too many and I lost interest in it. I like to shoot birds. Don't think I don't know anything about dog hunting though. I've been on hundreds of dog drives. My dad's club did it up until about 10 years ago and converted over to still hunting.
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Originally posted by skinneejquote:That's 100% pure grade A horse ****... Do you know most doggers?
Originally posted by SCARCHER220Most doggers don’t want to or cannot lease land, plant plots to hold deer, erect feeders, etc. They just want to reap your benefits for the most part.
" It is what it is".
Maybe I should say most doggers I have come in contact with…
don’t hunt much do you skinee?
" It is what it is".
But the thing that I understand better than you is that everyone thinks that “their” way is the right way, and refuse to think outside of that box. I don’t limit myself to such primitive thought. I like to appreciate the old saying, "different strokes fo
When you can keep your dogs on your property that you pay for and off the property that I hunt and pay for we will resolve this issue. Until that time or penalties are put in place that make you respect property boundaries we will continue to rehash this. When a dog and his owner have more rights than the person owning the infringed property things are very wrong. That is exactly what we have now. We have been fortunate that a killing has not taken place over this very bad situation, and when it happens it should be layed at DNRs feet for not taking a proactive stance since they know a problem exists.
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Originally posted by freedomfisherIn your eyes you are correct. I understand where you stand and I can’t blame your disgust. My views on hunting are different and I can respect that. To me it’s about family friends and getting the kids out there. And I can’t stand against someones right to that. Especially over a flee riden modified billy goat. I no longer dog drive and the reasons are for losing leases to richer still hunter who in my opinion are on there way to ruining another sport along with duck hunting and other traditions that i once loved. But hey that’s the way it goes in this world. I just wait my turn until after deer season so I can turn my walkers loose. Doing the only thing I have left, which is raccoon hunting.
Dude, you are sound bitter… How did rich people ruin duck hunting? By developing the flyway maybe??
I don’t agree with the landowners allowing the out of state wealthy to out-lease locals either.
I don’t bother anyone, but I will forever stand against the “renegade” azzhole dog hunters.
" It is what it is".
Skinnee you guys always bring topic around to which is best way to hunt. I could care less how you hunt. I also do not care if you kill 100 deer or none. I only care when you come onto my property with your dogs. The one thing for sure is that still hunters NEVER ruin a dog hunt. Dog hunters manyyyyyy times ruin still hunts.
I have been told by dog hunters that I should fence my property to keep the dogs off. That line of thinking is why it is on its way out. You should fence your proerty to keep dogs from running onto others property.
Hunting, fishing, and poker are my sports. Work when necessary.
Where you around in the 90s? Must not have because before the massive implosion of duck Impoundments you could kill ducks. I dare you to go hunting now and kill big ducks if there not shooting the impoundment. You might kill a woodie. Yet if I dig a ditch and fill it with corn they want to carry me to jail. Big money has ruined duck hunting.
quote:I've killed most of my deer still hunting. Again, I'm not one of those guys who didn't start hunting until later in life. I grew up doing it. We dog hunted in the AM and still hunted in the afternoon. It was an all day event.
Originally posted by SCARCHER220I meant more so still hunting. Sounds as if even when you did get enjoyment out of hunting deer, you either didn’t still hunt much or was lucky enough to not encounter the bad side of dog hunting. Me, on the other hand, hunted areas thick with it ( and mostly bad ) up until 10 or so years ago. I also mentioned I have had pleasurable experiences with dog “clubs” as well. The clubs tend to make a reasonable effort to stay respectful.
I am the exact opposite. I would dig a hole and cover it up, over and over, before I went on a dog drive. Done it several times, and successfully I might add, but not my cup of tea.
I don’t think my way is any better… when did I say that? I do my thing and I don’t bother anyone. I would rather see someone else kill than myself. I do eat the meat but I also give a lot away. Jalapeno and cheddar snack sticks tend to be a hit with most folks.
Personally, I can sit hrs without even hearing anything. I agree with different strokes for different folks… the problem is sometimes the strokes aren’t welcome ones.
" It is what it is".
I will agree that there are some renegades out there that give everyone a bad name. But, I am not about to throw out the baby with the bathwater. You are talking about hundreds if not thousands of years of tradition.
Honestly, it’s pretty easy to get rid of dog hunters. You call their landlord and complain about dogs being on your property. Most of the timber companies nowadays are very aggressive about coming down on the leasees. It’s actually the reason why m
quote:Just a few points: 1) No, I didn't bring up this topic 2) I didn't say dog hunting was better. I only said that I respect all forms of hunting. 3) I've never run dogs on your land 4) Still hunters never ruin a dog hunt? It was still hunters that ended all dog hunting on my father's club, so you would be incorrect with that statement.
Originally posted by Partners-ShipSkinnee you guys always bring topic around to which is best way to hunt. I could care less how you hunt. I also do not care if you kill 100 deer or none. I only care when you come onto my property with your dogs. The one thing for sure is that still hunters NEVER ruin a dog hunt. Dog hunters manyyyyyy times ruin still hunts.
I have been told by dog hunters that I should fence my property to keep the dogs off. That line of thinking is why it is on its way out. You should fence your proerty to keep dogs from running onto others property.Hunting, fishing, and poker are my sports. Work when necessary.
The bottom line is that when people don’t see a deer, they start pointing fingers. First it’s the dog hunters. Then when there is no dog hunting, it’s the rednecks next door shooting the basket racks. Then, when those guys are gone, it will be the coyotes…
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Originally posted by skinneejquote:I've killed most of my deer still hunting. Again, I'm not one of those guys who didn't start hunting until later in life. I grew up doing it. We dog hunted in the AM and still hunted in the afternoon. It was an all day event.
Originally posted by SCARCHER220I meant more so still hunting. Sounds as if even when you did get enjoyment out of hunting deer, you either didn’t still hunt much or was lucky enough to not encounter the bad side of dog hunting. Me, on the other hand, hunted areas thick with it ( and mostly bad ) up until 10 or so years ago. I also mentioned I have had pleasurable experiences with dog “clubs” as well. The clubs tend to make a reasonable effort to stay respectful.
I am the exact opposite. I would dig a hole and cover it up, over and over, before I went on a dog drive. Done it several times, and successfully I might add, but not my cup of tea.
I don’t think my way is any better… when did I say that? I do my thing and I don’t bother anyone. I would rather see someone else kill than myself. I do eat the meat but I also give a lot away. Jalapeno and cheddar snack sticks tend to be a hit with most folks.
Personally, I can sit hrs without even hearing anything. I agree with different strokes for different folks… the problem is sometimes the strokes aren’t welcome ones.
" It is what it is".
I will agree that there are some renegades out there that give everyone a bad name. But, I am not about to throw out the baby with the bathwater. You are talking about hundreds if not thousands of years of tradition.
Honestly, it’s pretty easy to get rid of dog hunters. You call their landlord and co
The only way to resolve this is to eliminate all forms of hunting unless it’s with a recurve bow, Tred Barta style. No corn allowed… No non-natural blinds allowed… No scentlock…
Never mind you’ve lost me. I’d like to retract that last amen.
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Originally posted by longbearded1When you can keep your dogs on your property that you pay for and off the property that I hunt and pay for we will resolve this issue. Until that time or penalties are put in place that make you respect property boundaries we will continue to rehash this. When a dog and his owner have more rights than the person owning the infringed property things are very wrong. That is exactly what we have now. We have been fortunate that a killing has not taken place over this very bad situation, and when it happens it should be layed at DNRs feet for not taking a proactive stance since they know a problem exists.
This is the only post that deserves an amen…AMEN!!! Preach on!
Earn it everyday…
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Originally posted by freedomfisherNever mind you’ve lost me. I’d like to retract that last amen.
Personally I’ve never seen 100 head of dogs being released on a drive [:0] or even 50. Most of the dog hunters around here never turn loose more than 5 or 6 at a time and most use tracking collars now. In days long past 20 was considered a big hunt and you could cover half the county with that, in fact they’d swim across the river into SC.
Most of the local hunters have also switched from walker dogs to beagles help keep them in check. Walkers would run a deer for days, beagles are much easier to keep in bounds.
Capt. Larry Teuton
Cracker Built Custom Boats
“Ships are the nearest things to dreams that hands have ever made.” -Robert N. Rose
Sadly, beagles are easier to “keep in bounds” than the rogues are.
Where I hunt (Still hunt), our property borders a dog club (separated by a small river). One several occasions, we’ve had to stop our hunt because there were dogs running all around us and under our stands. Most times, the dogs have collars so we “do the right thing” and contact the owner. EVERY TIME they come to pick up their dog, we never so much as get a “thank you” or an apology. We’re not looking for a reward but some sign of gratitude would be nice. Hell, one time we were headed back to the club house with a dog we just caught and were met…WELL ON OUR PROPERTY…by the dog’s owner. Our land is CLEARLY posted but this guy, knowing current regs don’t hold him responsible, drives right through one of our gates and on to our property without permission. We asked him what he was doing on our property and he simply said “I’m catching up my dogs.” We asked if the one we caught was his and he said “yep.” We set the dog on the ground and it just sat down. The guy walked over, grabbed the dog up by the scruff of his neck, tossed him into the dog box on his truck, got in the truck…turned around and drove off. I was too busy being stunned by this guy’s lack of respect and lack of gratitude to even get pissed. Next time, he’ll be picking his dog(s) up from the pound. He’s d@mn lucky we don’t believe in the “3 S method.” I guess we have more respect for the dogs than he does for us.
Earn it everyday…
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Originally posted by Cracker LarryPersonally I’ve never seen 100 head of dogs being released on a drive [:0] or even 50. Most of the dog hunters around here never turn loose more than 5 or 6 at a time and most use tracking collars now. In days long past 20 was considered a big hunt and you could cover half the county with that, in fact they’d swim across the river into SC.
Most of the local hunters have also switched from walker dogs to beagles help keep them in check. Walkers would run a deer for days, beagles are much easier to keep in bounds.Capt. Larry Teuton
Cracker “Ships are the nearest things to dreams that hands have ever made.” -Robert N. Rose
Haha I hear you. Back in the day we to drop the box and let them run. But I guess you can’t do that anymore. There’s just not the woods there used to be.
Only a small window left for dog hunters in this State.The poorest stewards of the land known to man,they will only have themselves to blame once it’s gone.
A large property owner in Georgetown county was the first to sue a big timber company ,for leasing to dog hunt clubs,and win.Other big timber companies took note,and puts us where we are now.
Dog hunters failed to improve their reputation,had plenty of chances after the first lawsuit.But,typical dogger fashion,did as little as possible.
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Originally posted by freedomfisherWhere you around in the 90s? Must not have because before the massive implosion of duck Impoundments you could kill ducks. I dare you to go hunting now and kill big ducks if there not shooting the impoundment. You might kill a woodie. Yet if I dig a ditch and fill it with corn they want to carry me to jail. Big money has ruined duck hunting.
haha…I was around. I used to sleep in the boat for MIGRANT big ducks. We have few of these now due to the urban development of the flyway… They simply don’t come this far down anymore.
" It is what it is".
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Originally posted by skinneejquote:I've killed most of my deer still hunting. Again, I'm not one of those guys who didn't start hunting until later in life. I grew up doing it. We dog hunted in the AM and still hunted in the afternoon. It was an all day event.
Originally posted by SCARCHER220I meant more so still hunting. Sounds as if even when you did get enjoyment out of hunting deer, you either didn’t still hunt much or was lucky enough to not encounter the bad side of dog hunting. Me, on the other hand, hunted areas thick with it ( and mostly bad ) up until 10 or so years ago. I also mentioned I have had pleasurable experiences with dog “clubs” as well. The clubs tend to make a reasonable effort to stay respectful.
I am the exact opposite. I would dig a hole and cover it up, over and over, before I went on a dog drive. Done it several times, and successfully I might add, but not my cup of tea.
I don’t think my way is any better… when did I say that? I do my thing and I don’t bother anyone. I would rather see someone else kill than myself. I do eat the meat but I also give a lot away. Jalapeno and cheddar snack sticks tend to be a hit with most folks.
Personally, I can sit hrs without even hearing anything. I agree with different strokes for different folks… the problem is sometimes the strokes aren’t welcome ones.
" It is what it is".
I will agree that there are some renegades out there that give everyone a bad name. But, I am not about to throw out the baby with the bathwater. You are talking about hundreds if not thousands of years of tradition.
Honestly, it’s pretty easy to get rid of dog hunters. You call their landlord and co
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Originally posted by archerSadly, beagles are easier to “keep in bounds” than the rogues are.
Where I hunt (Still hunt), our property borders a dog club (separated by a small river). One several occasions, we’ve had to stop our hunt because there were dogs running all around us and under our stands. Most times, the dogs have collars so we “do the right thing” and contact the owner. EVERY TIME they come to pick up their dog, we never so much as get a “thank you” or an apology. We’re not looking for a reward but some sign of gratitude would be nice. Hell, one time we were headed back to the club house with a dog we just caught and were met…WELL ON OUR PROPERTY…by the dog’s owner. Our land is CLEARLY posted but this guy, knowing current regs don’t hold him responsible, drives right through one of our gates and on to our property without permission. We asked him what he was doing on our property and he simply said “I’m catching up my dogs.” We asked if the one we caught was his and he said “yep.” We set the dog on the ground and it just sat down. The guy walked over, grabbed the dog up by the scruff of his neck, tossed him into the dog box on his truck, got in the truck…turned around and drove off. I was too busy being stunned by this guy’s lack of respect and lack of gratitude to even get pissed. Next time, he’ll be picking his dog(s) up from the pound. He’s d@mn lucky we don’t believe in the “3 S method.” I guess we have more respect for the dogs than he does for us.
Earn it everyday…
that is what I am referring to… assholes
" It is what it is".
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Originally posted by Partners-ShipSkinnee you guys always bring topic around to which is best way to hunt. I could care less how you hunt. I also do not care if you kill 100 deer or none. I only care when you come onto my property with your dogs. The one thing for sure is that still hunters NEVER ruin a dog hunt. Dog hunters manyyyyyy times ruin still hunts.
I have been told by dog hunters that I should fence my property to keep the dogs off. That line of thinking is why it is on its way out. You should fence your proerty to keep dogs from running onto others property.Hunting, fishing, and poker are my sports. Work when necessary.
If I owned property and went through all i have… I would be writing this from prison
" It is what it is".