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You are missing the point with you skinee.. All you speak of was in A CLUB...... The ones I speak of are the moronic ones that have no club or lease or rules.
There are a lot more than you think. The traditions have eroded to what we have today unfortunately and will NEVER be the same.
It is very hard to rid yourself of these guys actually. Once they know they are pissing you off or kill a nice buck, you are in for hell.
bigger pricks in tree stands?? please explain that one.
" It is what it is".
I'm not missing any points... Poachers exist everywhere. There are plenty of still hunters out there as well that would gladly sneak into your place when you are not there and kill a deer. Does that mean that we need to eliminate the "sport" of still hunting?
Seems like you are failing to separate the notion of “dog hunters” and “poachers who happen to run dogs”. There are plenty of legitimate dog clubs out there. But you want to kill those off too because of a few renegades on your side of town.
this is the absolute most retarded statement ever. Dog hunters are dog hunters… plain and simple. Doesn’t matter if you are in a CLUB and stay there or dump on someone else’s property. You are still a dog hunter. I can tell you have had your experience through clubs and not on private property.
A few renegades on my side of town. LOL do you lve in a cave or were you sheltered your entire life? The dumb ass dog hunters are kiiling their sport, not me.
Sadly, beagles are easier to “keep in bounds” than the rogues are.
Where I hunt (Still hunt), our property borders a dog club (separated by a small river). One several occasions, we’ve had to stop our hunt because there were dogs running all around us and under our stands. Most times, the dogs have collars so we “do the right thing” and contact the owner. EVERY TIME they come to pick up their dog, we never so much as get a “thank you” or an apology. We’re not looking for a reward but some sign of gratitude would be nice. Hell, one time we were headed back to the club house with a dog we just caught and were met…WELL ON OUR PROPERTY…by the dog’s owner. Our land is CLEARLY posted but this guy, knowing current regs don’t hold him responsible, drives right through one of our gates and on to our property without permission. We asked him what he was doing on our property and he simply said “I’m catching up my dogs.” We asked if the one we caught was his and he said “yep.” We set the dog on the ground and it just sat down. The guy walked over, grabbed the dog up by the scruff of his neck, tossed him into the dog box on his truck, got in the truck…turned around and drove off. I was too busy being stunned by this guy’s lack of respect and lack of gratitude to even get pissed. Next time, he’ll be picking his dog(s) up from the pound. He’s d@mn lucky we don’t believe in the “3 S method.” I guess we have more respect for the dogs than he does for us.
Boy, you think the world operates this way, for real??? Most of the time they don’t even show up… sometimes hrs later after the pricks are at home and done with the BS…
Tell someone to saty off your land… LMAO Dude, it is painfully obvious you have no clue as to what you are talking about
" It is what it is".
Maybe people just don't take you seriously. I know a couple of wardens and they would show up pretty quickly if I called them. Perhaps you need to make some important friends.
Oh yeah, LMAO for not knowing about that… You certainly seem helpless…
I can tell you have had your experience through clubs and not on private property.
That is definitely true. Is killing a deer on private property somehow different than a club? I bet the club I hunt on has been around longer than you have owned your property.
Skinnee
How long a club is owned is pointless. It gives a club no right to break the law just because they have been doing it for a long time. I live on the Inter-coastal near the ocean inlet and my dock is the hot spot. I came home one day and there is a guy walking across my dock. I was returning from hunting and had my 357 magnum with me. I asked him what the hell he was doing on my property and after some arguing his justification was that he was doing it long before I owned the property. I won’t tell you what I told him next, but he called the cops, which was OK with me because he was about to become crab bait.
Hunting, fishing, and poker are my sports. Work when necessary.
Skinnee
How long a club is owned is pointless. It gives a club no right to break the law just because they have been doing it for a long time. I live on the Inter-coastal near the ocean inlet and my dock is the hot spot. I came home one day and there is a guy walking across my dock. I was returning from hunting and had my 357 magnum with me. I asked him what the hell he was doing on my property and after some arguing his justification was that he was doing it long before I owned the property. I won’t tell you what I told him next, but he called the cops, which was OK with me because he was about to become crab bait.
Hunting, fishing, and poker are my sports. Work when necessary.
Are we just making stuff up now? I never made any sort of argument that having a club for a long time gives anyone a right to break the law. This was just a response to some nonsense comments about my experience being on "clubs" and not "private land". My point was that there was no difference. I didn't write this out of context, so I don't expect you to read it out of context. Please follow the entire conversation.
So, if I am not mistaken, you attempted to refute me, but kind of agreed with me. Either that, are you are standing on a straw man…
The only argument I made about longevity (and you have to read between the lines - which were actually ancient paintings) is that hunting animals with dogs has been around for hundreds, if not thousands of years. Dogs were probably originally domesticated to hunt with. So, to claim that still hunting has some sort of precedence over hunting with dogs is ignoring history. If anything one could argue that still hunting is ruining dog hunting. If there weren’t so many whiny still hunters around buying up small tracts of land and fragmenting the woods, there wouldn’t be a problem.
Hell, one time we were headed back to the club house with a dog we just caught and were met…WELL ON OUR PROPERTY…by the dog’s owner. Our land is CLEARLY posted but this guy, knowing current regs don’t hold him responsible, drives right through one of our gates and on to our property without permission. We asked him what he was doing on our property and he simply said “I’m catching up my dogs.”
Just for your reference, since you clearly had a head injury and forgot you posted this. Next time wear a helmet.
Maybe I had my Korean font on when I typed I said the incident happended once when you implied dog hunters were running up and down my roads and driving through my gates. Sorry for the confusion. I’ll type slower for you next time.
One would think that would be enough to keep “unwated persons” off of our property
But you explicitly said it wasn't enough... Again, a no brainer... If my closed door won't keep criminals out of my house, then I need to lock it. How much simpler can this explanation get? I'm not sure why I have to repeat the answer. Should I type louder?
Locks are just like laws, they only keep honest people honest. Rarely do B&Es involve someone turning the door knob and simply walking into your house. Hince, BREAKING and entering. Unless that’s how it happens in Candyland where you apparently live.
but I appareciate your feeble attempt to swing the blame on to the responsible property owner and not those truly at fault. Typical…
That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard... I never said it was your fault. I said to lock your gate. Locking your gate is "insurance". If you lost your house in a fire and I told you that fire insurance would have minimized your losses, you would turn around and tell me that I am blaming you for the fire... Then you would tell me, "Why should I buy fire insurance? I have a sign POSTED on my house that says, "no fires!"... Typical...
Check that, pretty sure you just one-up’d yourself.
Hell, one time we were headed back to the club house with a dog we just caught and were met…WELL ON OUR PROPERTY…by the dog’s owner. Our land is CLEARLY posted but this guy, knowing current regs don’t hold him responsible, drives right through one of our gates and on to our property without permission. We asked him what he was doing on our property and he simply said “I’m catching up my dogs.”
Just for your reference, since you clearly had a head injury and forgot you posted this. Next time wear a helmet.
Maybe I had my Korean font on when I typed I said the incident happended once when you implied dog hunters were running up and down my roads and driving through my gates. Sorry for the confusion. I’ll type slower for you next time.
Earn it everyday…
So what you are saying is, that you are new enough to hunting to have not have had this happen multiple times? That's sweet...
One would think that would be enough to keep “unwated persons” off of our property
But you explicitly said it wasn't enough... Again, a no brainer... If my closed door won't keep criminals out of my house, then I need to lock it. How much simpler can this explanation get? I'm not sure why I have to repeat the answer. Should I type louder?
Locks are just like laws, they only keep honest people honest. Rarely do B&Es involve someone turning the door knob and simply walking into your house. Hince, BREAKING and entering. Unless that’s how it happens in Candyland where you apparently live.
Earn it everyday…
I think we both know how ridiculous that statement is. I've NEVER heard of a hunter cutting locks off of someone's gate to look for dogs. Sorry. Let's try to keep this discussion about real life please. And if they did, that is another law that is broken that you could definitely have them arrested for. Hey! Maybe that is what you should do!!! Lock your gates!!!
Fact of the matter is, I lock my gates, and nobody drives up on me. You don’t lock your gates and there is potential for someone to drive up on you. I think it’s pretty clear who the winner is.
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You are missing the point with you skinee.. All you speak of was in A CLUB...... The ones I speak of are the moronic ones that have no club or lease or rules.
There are a lot more than you think. The traditions have eroded to what we have today unfortunately and will NEVER be the same.
It is very hard to rid yourself of these guys actually. Once they know they are pissing you off or kill a nice buck, you are in for hell.
bigger pricks in tree stands?? please explain that one.
" It is what it is".
I'm not missing any points... Poachers exist everywhere. There are plenty of still hunters out there as well that would gladly sneak into your place when you are not there and kill a deer. Does that mean that we need to eliminate the "sport" of still hunting?
Seems like you are failing to separate the notion of “dog hunters” and “poachers who happen to run dogs”. There are plenty of legitimate dog clubs out there. But you want to kill those off too because of a few renegades on your side of town.
The issue with dog hunting is and has always been a matter of trespassing on to someone else’s property, not poaching. I’ve never heard anyone say “keep your poachers off of my property.” It’s always "keep your dogs off of my property. Those are two different issues. Rogue dog hunters are the ones responsible for “killing” the legit dog clubs, no one else.
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You are missing the point with you skinee.. All you speak of was in A CLUB...... The ones I speak of are the moronic ones that have no club or lease or rules.
There are a lot more than you think. The traditions have eroded to what we have today unfortunately and will NEVER be the same.
It is very hard to rid yourself of these guys actually. Once they know they are pissing you off or kill a nice buck, you are in for hell.
bigger pricks in tree stands?? please explain that one.
" It is what it is".
I'm not missing any points... Poachers exist everywhere. There are plenty of still hunters out there as well that would gladly sneak into your place when you are not there and kill a deer. Does that mean that we need to eliminate the "sport" of still hunting?
Seems like you are failing to separate the notion of “dog hunters” and “poachers who happen to run dogs”. There are plenty of legitimate dog clubs out there. But you want to kill those off too because of a few renegades on your side of town.
The issue with dog hunting is and has always been a matter of trespassing on to someone else’s property, not poaching. I’ve never heard anyone say “keep your poachers off of my property.” It’s always "keep your dogs off of my property. Those are two different issues. Rogue dog hunters are the ones responsible for “killing” the legit dog clubs, no one else.
Hell, one time we were headed back to the club house with a dog we just caught and were met…WELL ON OUR PROPERTY…by the dog’s owner. Our land is CLEARLY posted but this guy, knowing current regs don’t hold him responsible, drives right through one of our gates and on to our property without permission. We asked him what he was doing on our property and he simply said “I’m catching up my dogs.”
Just for your reference, since you clearly had a head injury and forgot you posted this. Next time wear a helmet.
Maybe I had my Korean font on when I typed I said the incident happended once when you implied dog hunters were running up and down my roads and driving through my gates. Sorry for the confusion. I’ll type slower for you next time.
Earn it everyday…
So what you are saying is, that you are new enough to hunting to have not have had this happen multiple times? That's sweet...
No, I guess we’re either more convencing or the dog hunters in our area are a little smarter than others.
The “incident” being the dog hunter that actually came on to ou
One would think that would be enough to keep “unwated persons” off of our property
But you explicitly said it wasn't enough... Again, a no brainer... If my closed door won't keep criminals out of my house, then I need to lock it. How much simpler can this explanation get? I'm not sure why I have to repeat the answer. Should I type louder?
Locks are just like laws, they only keep honest people honest. Rarely do B&Es involve someone turning the door knob and simply walking into your house. Hince, BREAKING and entering. Unless that’s how it happens in Candyland where you apparently live.
Earn it everyday…
I think we both know how ridiculous that statement is. I've NEVER heard of a hunter cutting locks off of someone's gate to look for dogs. Sorry. Let's try to keep this discussion about real life please. And if they did, that is another law that is broken that you could definitely have them arrested for. Hey! Maybe that is what you should do!!! Lock your gates!!!
Fact of the matter is, I lock my gates, and nobody drives up on me. You don’t lock your gates and there is potential for someone to drive up on you. I thi
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You are missing the point with you skinee.. All you speak of was in A CLUB...... The ones I speak of are the moronic ones that have no club or lease or rules.
There are a lot more than you think. The traditions have eroded to what we have today unfortunately and will NEVER be the same.
It is very hard to rid yourself of these guys actually. Once they know they are pissing you off or kill a nice buck, you are in for hell.
bigger pricks in tree stands?? please explain that one.
" It is what it is".
I'm not missing any points... Poachers exist everywhere. There are plenty of still hunters out there as well that would gladly sneak into your place when you are not there and kill a deer. Does that mean that we need to eliminate the "sport" of still hunting?
Seems like you are failing to separate the notion of “dog hunters” and “poachers who happen to run dogs”. There are plenty of legitimate dog clubs out there. But you want to kill those off too because of a few renegades on your side of town.
The issue with dog hunting is and has always been a matter of trespassing on to someone else’s property, not poaching. I’ve never heard anyone say “keep your poachers off of my property.” It’s always "keep your dogs off of my property. Those
First off, congrats on the new counting skills. Your parents must be proud.
Second, your way of thinking would imply you’d have to send people to law school to understand why they shouldn’t break laws. Why is posting “No trespassing” signs not enough for people to understand they shouldn’t trespass? As a child, I didn’t have to know if someone else’s front door was locked or not before knocking on it to gain entrance. A gate on someone else’s property didn’t have to be locked before I would contact the land owner to gain access. I know I’m talking about the long lost art of using common sense but that’s wht it is, common sense.
Earn it everyday…
So, what you are saying is, you expect criminals to read signs and obey the law. How is that working out for you? Hell, why even have locks on your gates and your house if you have signs up? Sounds to me that anyone who wants to rob your house should just read your sign, "Hey, I don't have locks on my house, but this is a robbery free zone, so please go rob someone else's house"...
Your logic is compelling… I mean like Spock from Star Trek kind of solid…