Goliath grouper are absolutely wonderful on the table! The really big ones are like cleaning a deer.
But AM reds eat better than Goliath’s
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Originally posted by sellsfishI promise a 100% mortality rate
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Originally posted by ToucheI promise I am all for effective management of our fishery. I think black sea bass were handled well. I don’t bottom fish much but when I do I catch quality bass and 15-20 seabass per trip is all I care to take home of that species, especially when you start tossing in triggers and vermilion.
You think so? IMO for BSB to catch quantity fish shallow, to catch quality fish deeper. Ever fish the P.I. reef? Nothing but a nuisance. We need to remove some of the smaller BSB. I liked the old regs on them. </font id=“blue”>
The red snapper stocks are clearly rebounding.
Was it ever in decline? Personally I’ve never had any issues catching a good supply of them. I don’t dive, but know several people that do and they have haven’t seen any declines except maybe some over fished artificial reefs that everyone frequents. Hit some live bottom or areas that are not fished by every slinging weekend warrior and you’ll see</font id=“blue”>
What ever the reason the SAFMC is listening to the trumped up lies on mortality and recreational take is most likely in the hands of crooked politicians on the take or some bleeding heart PETA members with corrupt power. I’m for proper environmental protection and best uses of our natural resources, let’s have SAFMC fund some projects to eradicate Lion Fish. They are going to nothing but become more of a threat to all our reefs.
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The longer I live the more I think laws are made by the rich for the rich . Anyway watch out if you are looking on the SAFMC website.
I would imagine the “Big Fish Texas” guys really appreciate the south atlantic being closed. Keeps their prices higher.
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i avoid that problem every time i end up in the indian ocean as well 
last time i did a bottom trip in south georgia we even had a hard time getting to the sea bass before a 15-20lb snapper would hit.
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Originally posted by Fred67quote:
Originally posted by ToucheI promise I am all for effective management of our fishery. I think black sea bass were handled well. I don’t bottom fish much but when I do I catch quality bass and 15-20 seabass per trip is all I care to take home of that species, especially when you start tossing in triggers and vermilion.
You think so? IMO for BSB to catch quantity fish shallow, to catch quality fish deeper. Ever fish the P.I. reef? Nothing but a nuisance. We need to remove some of the smaller BSB. I liked the old regs on them. </font id=“blue”>
The red snapper stocks are clearly rebounding.
Was it ever in decline? Personally I’ve never had any issues catching a good supply of them. I don’t dive, but know several people that do and they have haven’t seen any declines except maybe some over fished artificial reefs that everyone frequents. Hit some live bottom or areas that are not fished by every slinging weekend warrior and you’ll see</font id=“blue”>
What ever the reason the SAFMC is listening to the trumped up lies on mortality and recreational take is most likely in the hands of crooked politicians on the take or some bleeding heart PETA members with corrupt power. I’m for proper environmental protection and best uses of our natural resources, let’s have SAFMC fund some projects to eradicate Lion Fish. They are going to nothing but become more of a threat to all our reefs.
“If Bruce Jenner can keep his wiener and be called a woman, I can keep my firearms and be considered disarmed.”
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Do they attempt to estimate the Atlantic catch based on catch data from the Gulf?
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Originally posted by Touchequote:
Originally posted by Fred67[quote]Originally posted by Touche
I promise I am all for effective management of our fishery. I think black sea bass were handled well. I don’t bottom fish much but when I do I catch quality bass and 15-20 seabass per trip is all I care to take home of that species, especially when you start tossing in triggers and vermilion.
You think so? IMO for BSB to catch quantity fish shallow, to catch quality fish deeper. Ever fish the P.I. reef? Nothing but a nuisance. We need to remove some of the smaller BSB. I liked the old regs on them. </font id=“blue”>
The red snapper stocks are clearly rebounding.
Was it ever in decline? Personally I’ve never had any issues catching a good supply of them. I don’t dive, but know several people that do and they have haven’t seen any declines except maybe some over fished artificial reefs that everyone frequents. Hit some live bottom or areas that are not fished by every slinging weekend warrior and you’ll see</font id=“blue”>
I do have the sample size for Sea Bass and back in the 90s You we were hard pressed to find enough seabass to beat the 12" size limit.
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“Touche”
250 HPDIs
huh?
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Originally posted by Touche[quote]Originally posted by Fred67
I do have the sample size for Sea Bass and back in the 90s You we were hard pressed to find enough seabass to beat the 12" size limit. Now almost every new bottom mark I explore inside 100ft has good sea bass on it.
?? Your sample must have been close to shore. ?
I’m only 49, but I have never had any problems with finding BSB my entire life. In fact most every off shore trip not trolling BSB have been a nuisance.
I remember dropping crab traps on the way out and having to have help pulling them up from being packed full of BSB. Not sure it that was legal, but I was little and lot’s of things were done different then.
I’m probably different than some, but I enjoy a few nice 10-12" BSB scaled and fried whole. Not that a good 16-18" filleted is bad.
I don’t think the 8" 30each limit hurt em. If you actually wanted to target BSB it has always been and still is common practice to travel a little ways from the shore.
Back to Red snapper, they have always been an easy target and the amount of recreational fishermen that have the ability to go get them does not put much pressure on them. If they want to make a difference leave the recreational guys alone and stop commercial for just one year.
Bottom line it’s about the money not the fish. wish that wasn’t true.
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Originally posted by Fred67quote:
Originally posted by Touche[quote]Originally posted by Fred67
I do have the sample size for Sea Bass and back in the 90s You we were hard pressed to find enough seabass to beat the 12" size limit. Now almost every new bottom mark I explore inside 100ft has good sea bass on it.
?? Your sample must have been close to shore. ?
I’m only 49, but I have never had any problems with finding BSB my entire life. In fact most every off shore trip not trolling BSB have been a nuisance.
I remember dropping crab traps on the way out and having to have help pulling them up from being packed full of BSB. Not sure it that was legal, but I was little and lot’s of things were done different then.
I’m probably different than some, but I enjoy a few nice 10-12" BSB scaled and fried whole. Not that a good 16-18" filleted is bad.
I don’t think the 8" 30each limit hurt em. If you actually wanted to target BSB it has always been and still is common practice to travel a little ways from the shore.
Back to Red snapper, they have always been an easy target and the amount of recreational fishermen that have the ability to go get them does not put much pressure on them. If they want to make a difference leave the recreational guys alone and stop commercial for just one year.
Bottom line it’s about the money not the fish. wish that wasn’t true.
“If Bruce Jenner can keep his wiener and be called a woman, I can keep my firearms and be considered disarmed.”
Those 10-12" fish have always been more head than meat. I have ne
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Originally posted by SchoolsOut1[quote]Originally posted by Touche
[quote]Originally posted by Fred67
[quote]Originally posted by Touche
huh?
Sorry, poorly worded.I have consistently caught enough BSB over the last two decades to form an educated opinion on how size and area of habitation has changed.
Only in the last two years have red snapper shown up in the areas that we frequently bottom fish.
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250 HPDIs
OK…
I’ve never had an issue catching big BSB, though…from the 90’s on…
If you want to see a piss poor example of science, please see the NOAA Total Removals of Red Snapper for 2015 report below for your reading pleasure. They don’t county any commercial log book that has “No Discards” for more than 75% of their trips. Basically, all the commercial guys need to stop under reporting 0 in an effort to be sneaky and start putting “1” every time.
Also, look at Florida vs the rest…
My favorite part:
The uncertainty from all these data sources is considered to be quite high. Confidence intervals
are not reported here because of the difficulty in combining data sources from different
estimation designs and not all sampling programs are able to report uncertainty estimates.
So, I started reading the report that Daniel supplied the link too.
By page 3 my head was hurting so bad I had to quit.
Baiscally, We don’t trust the data from the commercial guys, so we made up and picked what we wanted to use. The recreational data is so secret and confidential we can’t even tell you about it except the total weight that we are removing from the stock. We did use a head boat as data, but the numbers sucked.
We got together as a group and decided to “F” all the fishermen and keep the season closed cause we can’t even believe the crap we are pushing.
That’s my take anyway.
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The Red Snapper issue was contrived by Pew, back when they wanted to shut down ALL bottom fishing from 90’ to 240’ deep. They were looking for a species that needed their “help” . They settled on Warsaw grouper & speckled hind, with red snapper being part of their collateral damage. I never thought I would live to see fishery laws made to ass kiss enviro groups and prevent their law suits.
You guys should all just keep posting tons and tons of pics and reports of how you caught 40 since nmfs doesn’t use sites like this to judge how many fish have been caught…