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Originally posted by PhinThe current law is illegal to sell recreationally or commercially caught fish in state waters. 33" minimum, 2 per person.
FL state law is 1 per person/day or 6 per vessel/day, whichever is less.
My vote for SC state waters:
37" minimum size limit 1 per person/day or 6 per vessel/day, whichever is less.Boat limit or min. size limits offshore only if science points there. Science presented at the meeting and recapped in this thread seems to indicate the inshore stock and offshore stock are different.
Stop reading here if you are a federal government apologist.
Outlawing commercial catch of cobia in federal waters is infeasible (and would violate Magnuson-Stevens as “unfair” treatment of sectors). The SAFMC would have to do that. The only way to shut down commercial would be to shut us down along with em.
That is not warranted unless the science supports it. The science reported in this thread apparently has little to nothing to do with the offshore stock anyway according to some, although I suspect it ought to (see below).
Shut downs should be a last resort, and should never be done without good science. It’s not like it’s impossible to get better science. The state doesn’t have much funds, but the feds have plenty. They’re simply chosing to NOT spend on good assessment data like they used to in the 90’s. It isn’t because they aren’t getting that funding. It’s because they’re spending it on other things right now because they have indeed rebuilt most of the fisheries as they were tasked to do, BUT if they told Congress that, Congress would cut their funding. Everyone knows a bureaucratic agency is not going to cut it’s own funding. The feds would have plenty funds to get better assessments if they’d stop spending so much of their $ on catch shares and MPA propaganda.
Stop reading again i
did you really just tell someone to stop the internet tough guy stuff and then change your responses to display “if you mention extortion again, I’ll have your legs broken”?
ummmm what…?
My opinion on the limits is… yall in the broad river get together and figure out works best for you. offshore fish are left alone. fish caught off murrells inlet have nothing to do with this discussion
“mr keys”
quote:Seems the majority favors a reasonable min.size 36"-37"/ with a boat limit 3-5 all of which could be done to help the fishery replenish itself. My concern with not including the offshore fishery would be in the enforcement should it enacted by DNR. Science excluded , DNR warden,are they river or Ross ??? Regs. the same, no question!!!!
Originally posted by danluginbillI think a 37# minimum size and 1 per person, 5/boat sounds about right. I also think, based on what DNR has put out there, that the offshore population probably doesn’t need to be regulated any differently than it currently is. That makes enforcement a bit tricky, but doable.
All things being equal, I would rather be on the water.
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quote:I also agree with this, I am talking about the B-river area, there needs to be a defined area affected ,that DNR has boundaries established. Sorry I'm late with this post; I'm a hunt and peck typist!!!!
Originally posted by northchuckydid you really just tell someone to stop the internet tough guy stuff and then change your responses to display “if you mention extortion again, I’ll have your legs broken”?
ummmm what…?
My opinion on the limits is… yall in the broad river get together and figure out works best for you. offshore fish are left alone. fish caught off murrells inlet have nothing to do with this discussion
“mr keys”
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How can you tell the difference between males and females in the 33 to 40 inch range? I know the females are much bigger than males once they get over 40 plus range. I vote 2 per person offshore and I male only inshore.
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Oh by the way there ain’t no cobia in the broad river anymore.
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Originally posted by Warbler[quote]Originally posted by Phin
Phin, Karl B has said increasing the size limit is not the way to go. Is he a scientist? I mean, you’re all for science, right?
The population is teetering on the edge of collapse and your solution is 1/person or 6/boat per day?
That is my opinion of a proper solution because the scientific evidence here is with regards to a micro population, which has been significantly manipulated by human beings on both “ends” of it.
Cobia range from Virginia to South America. They’re in both the Atlantic and Gulf. They’re elsewhere in the world for that matter.
Cobia assessments for the South Atlantic and GOM management regions are in SEDAR 28, done by NMFS. http://sedarweb.org/sedar-28
The final report for the South Atlantic assessment is here.
http://sedarweb.org/docs/sar/S28_SAR_SACobia_WithAddendumFinal_5.16.2013.pdf
This is Jan/May 2013 “science,” I believe you would agree.
This is a 420 page document, so I will save you a couple hours by merely showing you page 9 of Section 1.
“not overfished”
“no overfishing”
I absolutely stand by my opinion that a higher min. length and boat limit STATEWIDE is good for us and the fish. It’s proactive when viewed from a more global perspective rather than looking at these fish through a pair of binoculars, or maybe even a microscope, by only looking at the Broad River.
If you want to see more cobia in that one river down there, then you need to not buy into this “fisherman’s always to blame” crap and address the facts that there’s less food for them in that river right now, and something radically different has been occurring for over 10 years- rest
Won’t argue with the facts as shown , looks like the vote was pretty
close to the post made by Phin . If the problem isn’t the cobia but
the food chain or another problem, then WE need to find out what/where/how and address /correct it. Any thoughts along these
lines of deductions???
If nothing is done it’s only gonna get worse!!!
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Thanks for posting a link to the 2012 SEDAR, Phin. A great deal of the data used in the assessment came from South Carolina. I was part of the data workshop in the life history group.
Below is a slide from the SEDAR report (pg 28 of the pdf) that Dr. Denson used in his presentation at the PRF meeting. It shows the trends for the entire South Atlantic cobia population. DSP stands for Distinct Population Segment (ie PRS). We must assume that fishing pressure in the Broad River is higher than it is offshore and therefore these trends would be more pronounced on an inshore population.
The grey area on either side of the center line represents uncertainty in the SEDAR model. And the 250,000 recruits estimate is for the entire SA population.
Life is better outdoors.
I wonder if there might be a single or a few factors that we might point to that could explain the major improvement between 1985 and 1995?
We could learn from history and apply the same type of measures now, as in the early 90’s couldn’t we?
Like I said…
lower the possession limit to 1 per person and increase the min. size. Even add a boat limit.
It’s common sense that with more fishing pressure, the limits have to be more strict.
The sky is not falling.
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If the problem isn't the cobia but the food chain or another problem, then WE need to find out what/where/how and address /correct it. Any thoughts along these lines of deductions??????? If nothing is done it's only gonna get worse!!!
I don’t even pretend to be a scientist, just a fisherman who pays attention. There is been a trend over the last 10 years or more that the bait, crabs and catfish seem to get less and less every year. I can’t remember the last time I caught a saltwater catfish. Where did they go? We used to use them for cobia bait.
My thoughts are increased development of the land areas, causing fertilizer, herbicides, pesticides and other pollutants running off into our rivers and creeks. All those golf courses and lawns around Hilton Head are putting a LOT of chemicals in the water. How do we stop that? I don’t know. That what I feel is the underlying problem.
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Anybody seen any info on impact of this type of run off to the marsh lands and water ways for this area??? might be interesting.
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Originally posted by PhinI wonder if there might be a single or a few factors that we might point to that could explain the major improvement between 1985 and 1995?
We could learn from history and apply the same type of measures now, as in the early 90’s couldn’t we?
Like I said…
lower the possession limit to 1 per person and increase the min. size. Even add a boat limit.It’s common sense that with more fishing pressure, the limits have to be more strict.
The sky is not falling.
http://www.sustainablefishing.org/
www.joinrfa.com
Luke 8:22-25
So you’d prefer to rely on two-year-old data from the feds as opposed to a local DNR scientist?
And I’m sure the whole southeast region appreciates your concern for the fishery. For me, I’m a little more concerned with South Carolinians.
If you mention extortion again, I’ll have your legs broken…
A friend of mine who used to be a commercial shrimper told me that the Waddell center had a shrimp pond breach and the shrimp got out into the wild. This was a long time ago and after the breach the “black lung” appeared. The shrimp in the pond were non native shrimp, and everyone has seen the tiger shrimp that appear here now on occasion. The same friend say that all of his commercial buddies think that black lung was caused by this breach. The black lung started in our area and now is spreading north and south. I don’t know if this has any truth to it, but it definitely makes you think.
My vote is for 1 cobia per boat in state waters, 2 per person federal.
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Originally posted by HHislandA friend of mine who used to be a commercial shrimper told me that the Waddell center had a shrimp pond breach and the shrimp got out into the wild. This was a long time ago and after the breach the “black lung” appeared. The shrimp in the pond were non native shrimp, and everyone has seen the tiger shrimp that appear here now on occasion. The same friend say that all of his commercial buddies think that black lung was caused by this breach. The black lung started in our area and now is spreading north and south. I don’t know if this has any truth to it, but it definitely makes you think.
My vote is for 1 cobia per boat in state waters, 2 per person federal.
I’m trying to think of one person who would have less credibility on fisheries management issues than a commercial shrimper…
If you mention extortion again, I’ll have your legs broken…
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I'm trying to think of one person who would have less credibility on fisheries management issues than a commercial shrimper........
That only shows your lack of knowledge of the subject. Nobody knows these fisheries like a commercial fisherman does, and nobody has more stake in the resource. They are out there every day, in every weather, trying to feed their families and their observations are very credible. Sure there are a few rogues here and there. They don’t last very long.
You make a whole lot of assumptions and call a lot of names, and you know not what you speak of.
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Originally posted by Warblerquote:
Originally posted by HHislandA friend of mine who used to be a commercial shrimper told me that the Waddell center had a shrimp pond breach and the shrimp got out into the wild. This was a long time ago and after the breach the “black lung” appeared. The shrimp in the pond were non native shrimp, and everyone has seen the tiger shrimp that appear here now on occasion. The same friend say that all of his commercial buddies think that black lung was caused by this breach. The black lung started in our area and now is spreading north and south. I don’t know if this has any truth to it, but it definitely makes you think.
My vote is for 1 cobia per boat in state waters, 2 per person federal.
I’m trying to think of one person who would have less credibility on fisheries management issues than a commercial shrimper…
If you mention extortion again, I’ll have your legs broken…
Like I said I don’t know if there’s any truth to the shrimp pond breach. But I do know that the black lung showed up in our area first and now everyone north and south is dealing with it. The black lung is definitely affecting our shrimp and every other resource that depends on shrimp is probably being affected by it including the COBIA.
I admit, I’ve never heard of black lung in marine life, only in coal
miners!!! But back to my last post, any info on effects of chemicals
or other type run off affecting food chain of these waters that would
cause cobia ,ect, ect, to leave or alter historic reproduction???
May be dumb thought, but still a question!!!
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But back to my last post, any info on effects of chemicals or other type run off affecting food chain of these waters that would cause cobia ,ect, ect, to leave or alter historic reproduction????
50 years of observation is my only solid info. 25 years ago we didn’t have the Colleton River Plantation, or the Rose Hill Plantation, or the Moss Creek Plantation, or the Okatie Plantation, or the Palmetto Bluff Plantation, or the Honey Horn. Didn’t have the Haig Point Plantation or Bloody Point Plantation on Daufuskie Island either, with all their associated golf courses, manicured grounds and housing, all of them on our river banks. All draining into the Broad River, and all of those places before you even cross over the Hilton Head bridge. How much chemicals can our saltwater creeks stand and still support life? Heck, I’m surprised it does as well as it still does,I ain’t no fish scientist, but I’m not an idiot either.
If you have a big saltwater aquarium at home, try mixing 1/4 ounce of yard fertilizer, 1/4 ounce of weed killer, 1/4 ounce of fire ant killer, a 1/4 ounce of mole cricket poison, some termite treatment and 1/4 cup of lime…add to that a little bit of oil, gas, antifreeze and other parking lot run off goo… mix it all together and dump it into your aquarium and see what happens to your fish. Does it really take a fish scientist to figure this out?
It’s not fishermen that are hurting the fish population, but it’s only the fishermen who care about preserving it. It ain’t the Bo’s and the Bubba’s keeping too many fish that is causing the issue. We can help it some, no doubt, but we or Waddell can’t fix it much. How do you fix too many people killing fish with poisons?
I don’t know of any study that addresses this issue, but if you want my thoughts, you’ve got them.
Capt. Larry Teuton
CrackerL ; that’s the best example I’ve heard yet and the reasoning
couldn’t be more pointed. Next question for thread; what to do next???
Start harassing elected officials???
Complaining to polluting establishments???
Complaining to EPA ???
Asking DNR to intervene ??? I don’t know ; IDEAS!!!
:smiley:I'm sure you've all got thoughts!!!!:smiley:
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